Does Anyone have son or daughter on Ship 17 as of June 2008?
Hi everyone,
My son has been on Ship 17 since June 13 for misinformation by his recruiter. My son left for Great Lakes on June 12th, and the following day we received the phone call that he was put on Ship 17. He is in Division B-01, and it seems his letters, date-wise, got increasingly worse after June 15th.
I have been receiving letters on a daily basis, and he is miserable. He said they cannot leave without an escort. He has been promised time and time again that he will be seeing Legal "today," yet today never comes.
His letters are asking us to help him get out of there, but when I talk with him on the phone, he says otherwise. I know when he's on the phone, there is someone right there listening, so I know he is limited in what he is saying. I finally got up the nerve and called Legal. My son called from Legal the next day and I was told he would not sign a waiver so that they could discuss his case with me. As it turns out, he didn't sign the waiver because he was yelled at and intimidated by them before I spoke with him and told that if he signed the waiver, it wouldl prolong his stay on Ship 17. He sounded horrible. Plus, he was sick and was afraid to go to the doctor because they also told him that would keep him there longer.
Today, I received four letters from him, two dated June 15th. Both of those letters were positive letters, he was training at that point. From June 16th on, he has been begging me to help him. So, I emailed the Ombudsmen, a Melanie Tomkins who turned my email over to her "point of contact," which turned out to be my son's RTC. Today, I received a phone call from him at my office. It was quite obvious that he was ordered to tell me to back off and tried to reassure me that he would be coming home, but to quit calling (Legal) and quit emailing. I know the phone call was staged.
My point being that no matter what I try to do, I always get a phone call from him telling me to stop. I just don't know what to do anymore. As of his letter dated June 19, he wants to give it two weeks from that date and if nothing happens then he will call me and tell me what to do.
I have tried Legal, I have tried his recruiter's office, I have tried the Ombudsman. The only thing left is possibly our US Senbator, but I don't know what to tell him or her because I don't know what the actual charge is. That's another thing: My son said he will be receiving an RE-3 for code 2309. There is no code 2309. He said the discharge is a general discharge, whatever that means. Can anyone advise me?
Thank you in advance.
My son has been on Ship 17 since June 13 for misinformation by his recruiter. My son left for Great Lakes on June 12th, and the following day we received the phone call that he was put on Ship 17. He is in Division B-01, and it seems his letters, date-wise, got increasingly worse after June 15th.
I have been receiving letters on a daily basis, and he is miserable. He said they cannot leave without an escort. He has been promised time and time again that he will be seeing Legal "today," yet today never comes.
His letters are asking us to help him get out of there, but when I talk with him on the phone, he says otherwise. I know when he's on the phone, there is someone right there listening, so I know he is limited in what he is saying. I finally got up the nerve and called Legal. My son called from Legal the next day and I was told he would not sign a waiver so that they could discuss his case with me. As it turns out, he didn't sign the waiver because he was yelled at and intimidated by them before I spoke with him and told that if he signed the waiver, it wouldl prolong his stay on Ship 17. He sounded horrible. Plus, he was sick and was afraid to go to the doctor because they also told him that would keep him there longer.
Today, I received four letters from him, two dated June 15th. Both of those letters were positive letters, he was training at that point. From June 16th on, he has been begging me to help him. So, I emailed the Ombudsmen, a Melanie Tomkins who turned my email over to her "point of contact," which turned out to be my son's RTC. Today, I received a phone call from him at my office. It was quite obvious that he was ordered to tell me to back off and tried to reassure me that he would be coming home, but to quit calling (Legal) and quit emailing. I know the phone call was staged.
My point being that no matter what I try to do, I always get a phone call from him telling me to stop. I just don't know what to do anymore. As of his letter dated June 19, he wants to give it two weeks from that date and if nothing happens then he will call me and tell me what to do.
I have tried Legal, I have tried his recruiter's office, I have tried the Ombudsman. The only thing left is possibly our US Senbator, but I don't know what to tell him or her because I don't know what the actual charge is. That's another thing: My son said he will be receiving an RE-3 for code 2309. There is no code 2309. He said the discharge is a general discharge, whatever that means. Can anyone advise me?
Thank you in advance.
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Permalink Reply by Rose R on -
The next 3 days the legal office will be closed. I found they were pretty unavailable during PIR. Your son can fly, if he wants. That is a long trip. I found some good came out of the experience for my son, not the least of which was he spoke to a chaplain and started reading the Bible again.As long as they are respectful and follow the Navy ways while they are in ship 17, they are OK.
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on -
Patricia is your son on the Legal or Medical part of Ship 17...my son is on the Medical part & I'm extremely concerned about what I've read...
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Permalink Reply by Rose R on
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They get bored, no exercise, and there can be troublemakers. My son kept to himself or hung with none troublemakers, read and got through it fine. I was very worried too, but my son showed he had more spunk and self control than I would ever have imagined.
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Permalink Reply by Rose R on
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With the automatic tickets, I don't see that it should be a problem. They kind of surprise them with the timing tho. My son was supposed to leave 5pm the day he came home, and called from the airport around 10!
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Permalink Reply by Michelle...Proud Mom of Tim...My Sailor, My Best Friend on -
Where was his tattoo located? My son had a tattoo put in his upper right arm of a dragon that was atleast 10 inches long and they said nothing of it when he went to BC. His recruiter did mention to him that it is the only one he could have on his person. They did not give him a hard time about it at all. He got it 2 years ago for his 18th birthday. I think the Navy should make a list of do's and dont's so before our sons and daughters enlist, they know what to expect. Good luck to all of your children that are on ship 17.
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Permalink Reply by Janell on
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Our daughter will finally be coming home tomorrow (unless something changes at GL that causes a delay). Not sure what the future holds for her, and I'm sure she will struggle with stuff for awhile because now she has to come up with a 'plan b' for her future. She had even given away most of her clothes, shoes, purses, etc. (and she had A LOT!), before leaving for boot camp because she figured she wouldn't need them, and if she did need something she didn't have, she'd be receiving a decent paycheck with few other expenses. So now she starts over from almost nothing. She is coming out with an RE-4, so she won't even be able to try again, even if she wants to, without some miracle happening. But she has her fiance here, her family here, etc. I'm sure things will work out for her.
The thing that irritates me to no end, though, is the fact that they have to come home in their 'inmate suits'. As I've said before somewhere, these kids are disappointed with the way things have turned out, and then they can't even come home without drawing attention to themselves on the plane, train, bus, or whatever. That, to me, is one last knife that the Navy uses to make them feel like failures. I just don't think that is right. The least they could do is let them go to the base exchange and purchase something to wear home, or let us send their clothes back to them when it is apparent they will be returning since they sit in Ship 17 for at least a couple of weeks usually.
But enough of my ranting. Once she is home, I don't plan to come onto this site again, so I wish all you other moms the best. I hope things work out for your sons/daughters in whatever happens in the future. Thank-you for your information and support as our family has gone through all of this. It has been appreciated more than you will ever know!
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Permalink Reply by Rose R on
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You are right about it not being right the way they are treated Janell. My son was unhappy about wearing the blue shirt and pants for more reasons than one. It was an exact replica of the uniform he wore in grammar school!Write some letters to your congressman and the Secretary of the Navy. Don't let them get away with it.Best wishes to you and your daughter.
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Permalink Reply by Debi on -
Janell,
I am so sorry about your daughter's situation. It is so unfair, but I know it will be good for both of you to see her tomorrow. My very best wishes to you and to your daughter. I am sure she will find her way and decide what she wants to do with her life after she unwinds from this horrible experience. God Bless the both of you.
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Permalink Reply by Diane on
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Janell -
So glad to hear your daughter will be home soon! Gives me some hope also...... Our son has been there since June 25. He saw Legal last week Wednesday and said he should be home within the next couple of weeks. He hates it there.....as everyone else has said, he feels like he is in prison. Apparently, they don't even get to go outside! Just don't understand what their reasoning is treating them the way they do. Our son also had gotten rid of lots of his belongings figuring he wouldn't be needing them and would just buy new things once he did down the road. He is also going to struggle for a while as he re-groups and decides what to do.....now with no job and very little money! Good luck to you and your daughter!
Diane
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Permalink Reply by KELLY on -
I am so sorry about your daughter's situation. I am thankful each time I read about Ship 17 that my son made it through with nothing happening. It is really upsetting that they make them wear their "imate suits". They should be given an opportunity to buy or be sent street clothes. That's what they came in, that is what they should be allowed to leave in. Please take comfort in knowing that most people won't think twice about what she is wearing. Tell her to hold her head high and be proud of herself.
Susan
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This will probably be my last post, because life just got more difficult for the time being. For those of you who pray, please pray that nothing delays her return home today, and that she will get here safely. Her father (my husband) was in a bicycle/automobile accident yesterday (he was on the bike), and is now in ICU at the local hospital. The doctor says he will be okay, but he will need to be in the hospital for 1-2 weeks, and won't be able to return to work for 2-4 weeks. We don't plan to tell her anything until she gets back because we don't want her worrying all the way home. She has enough to deal with right now and she doesn't need to hear this over the phone.
Thanks again, ladies, for all of your words of encouragement these past few weeks. You are appreciated!
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