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Deb-Bub's Proud Mom
  • 58, Female
  • Basye, VA
  • United States

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navy.girl519 replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Thank you! Its just a waiting game basically. And I sometimes get impatient. Good luck on hearing from your daughter!"
Feb 4, 2010
Miss Rosa replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"I myself Still have not heard yet from my daughter. I did however hear that someone gave a message to my daughter from me. It was one of the hubbys on board who knew her and where she worked... This helps to calm my fears., at least I know she is…"
Feb 4, 2010
navy.girl519 replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Im glad im not the only one still waiting. How are you holding up?"
Feb 4, 2010
lauradavidbobby replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Hi there,,, My son is on the Carl Vinson and I have not heard from him yet.. Just waiting"
Feb 3, 2010
terri (joes mom) replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"thanks the " lost " sailors i finally just heard from mine ! good grief i was geginning to wonder if he fell in a hole"
Feb 3, 2010
Molly Molly Fo Folly replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"I think we have a squadron here somewhere ??? calling helicopter moms/gfs"
Jan 30, 2010
Molly Molly Fo Folly replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Keep asking and no such luck ---do you think he could be cranking in the mess or TAD to security ?"
Jan 30, 2010
Miss Rosa replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"This is so hard not hearing from them, it is making me crazy!!!!!!"
Jan 30, 2010
Gina replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"If anyone can help me find my lost sailor that would be great. His name is Kristopher Bradley and he is with HS-15. I have not heard from him since they left. Just a call would give me peace of mind. Please HELP!!!"
Jan 30, 2010
navy.girl519 replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"I was wondering if anyone has any connections to the flight deck. My boyfriend is still missing =("
Jan 28, 2010
Miss Rosa replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"I hear you!!!!! My daughter is 25, and I don't care if she's 2 or 25 I still worry...."
Jan 28, 2010
Molly Molly Fo Folly replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"I dont think so ------- lol lol I have a 25,23,20 & 15 --not one day in 25 years I havent worried about them !! No wonder Im grey"
Jan 28, 2010
Miss Rosa replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Thanks. Can't wait to hear back from her to see if her son can locate my daughter. Does it ever end when you are a parent, all the worring we do........."
Jan 28, 2010
Molly Molly Fo Folly replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Click on her picture ----then at her page send her a private message (maybe a friend request first) those are located on the upper left side ----under her picture on her page. BUT you need to look on the right side to see if you have mail"
Jan 28, 2010
Miss Rosa replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"Hi gbwnavymom, Thanks for responding to my message. How do I send a pm to you, not really good at all this tech stuff, Thanks"
Jan 28, 2010
gbwnavymom replied to Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's discussion 'We have contacts to find "The Lost" sailors' in the group USS Carl Vinson Family
"i all ya looking for me, send me the infor PM and I will e-mail my son, I hear from him every night. hugs gbwnavymom"
Jan 28, 2010

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About me:
I am the Very Proud Mother of 2 United States NAVY Sailors. My oldest is a NUKE and my "baby" is currently in BUD/s Prep. *** I must now correct this statement, but not remove it. My youngest is doing what he has to do until he can rejoin the BUD/s program. - See my blog "My Son is Out"***

I would like to make a public statement that I have made many times in private. Karen (the white tiger on my friends list) is my cousin and she is my God Daughter. She and her mom, my Aunt Mary and my Uncle Donald are a very major reason my sons are the sons, men and my personal heroes they are. When I had very little (time and money) they were there for us. Karen would pick up my boys from school and take them to her house while I was working 2 and sometimes 3 jobs. She would help them with their homework, feed them, bathe them and take them back to my house to wait for me to get home. Aunt Mary made sure they had their favorite foods in the house and doted and spoiled them worse than any grandmother I have ever known. And Uncle Donald made sure they knew the fine art of properly singing Woolly Bully and the proper way to do the "HillBilly Shuffle". They have been there for us when ever and where ever we have ever needed them without being asked. I could not have made the life for my sons I did with out them. I have said Thank You many times, but there is no way it would even begin to repay the love they have given my sons. We lost Aunt Mary many years ago and I know she is watching out for my boys. What an angel to have on their side!! My youngest is still the only one allowed in Uncle Donald's private "cubby" of tools. And, as for Karen. If anyone deserves the title of Proud NAVY "Cousin" it is surely her. I am proud to have her stand by my side as we watch "our" sons grow into these fine men. So, Karen, again I want to say Thank You for being my son's "Other Mom".

Yes, PollyAnna "Even Stupid People Need Protecting" - thank you "w"*
I am here to support or represent my:
Son/Daughter
Stage of (Sailor’s) Navy Career?
Enlisted
When I heard “Navy,” I:
Was proud and encouraged it
From my experience with the Navy, the most important thing I learned was:
We are going through a very rough time at present. My Daddy always said if I couldn't say anything nice to not say anything at all.

So, that is what I am doing. I am doing my best to be a good Navy Mom and support my son even as he is being "challenged" at every turn. I will honor my son's request to keep my mouth shut.
Through this Navy experience, I now believe:
It was positive and maturing. Our relationship has grown stronger.

They've crushed my soul”….

They've crushed my soul”….

I sure hope someone can help me understand those words. My son said those words to me. “They've crushed my soul”…. I understand the meaning of each word. What I can not comprehend is the concept. “They've crushed my soul”……………

I am so very, very confused, frustrated, angry, disappointed, bitter and I am feeling things even my ex-husband couldn't bring out in me. Wow. I told my self things would work out. Things would be ok. And someone would see the error that was made and correct it. A very simple thing to do. Nothing that would require the signature of the President. Not a federal case. But it has sure been made to be more than correcting a mistake. I was sure there was someone who cared more about the “Good of the NAVY” than how admitting a mistake would look. Someone who would not make this a personal vendetta and work so hard to misplace the responsibility. The Navy has a lot already invested in him to just toss him aside.

However, the more time passes the worse things get. And now my son has said to me “They've crushed my soul”…..

Here is the short version:
On April 15th he was told he had sinusitis

Late in the evening, on April 16th he was taken to the VA Hospital by ambulance with a fever and coughing up blood – He was told he had pneumonia and 40% lung capacity in his left lung. He was kept for a few hours, given fluids and meds and sent back to the unheated building where he had been living. I got the call from the base in response to my call to the Red Cross at 1:35 am Friday April 17th telling me that he was in fact still at “medical” being given fluids and antibiotics. I was told I would receive a call at 8:00 am my time with an update on his condition. A call I did not receive. I was told to feel free to call the base anytime. What I did receive was a call from my son asking me to please, please not make a fuss over all of this. He was going to be ok. He was feeling better and wanted to rest and to get ready for the test now less than 72 hours away. His biggest concern was getting rolled.

On April 20th he was cleared by an E-2 Corpsman to take the following test:
1000 meter swim (with fins) – 20 minutes
70 push-ups – 2 minutes
60 sit-ups – 2 minutes
10 pull-ups – no time limit
4 mile run – 32 minutes

Result of the test:
1000 meter swim (with fins) – 20 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED in 19 minutes
70 push-ups – 2 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 72
60 sit-ups – 2 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED
10 pull-ups – no time limit – SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 11
4 mile run – 32 minutes – FAILED – AFTER 3 ¼ MILES. HE PASSED OUT ON THE TRACK BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT QUIT.

I apologize for shouting. No, I do not apologize. I want to shout. I want to scream. I want the whole world to know the courage it took for him to do this with less than a 72 hour recovery period. I want the whole world to know he had made a commitment to his boat crew and he was going to do everything he could to honor their commitment to him by not taking a “medical” out. He could have told the E-2 Corpsman how he was really feeling. But he did not. He begged and pleaded with the him to clear him so he could go with his boat crew to BUD/s. My concern was for him. I did not want him to do it because, at 19 he does not want to accept the fact that he is a mortal. What 19 year old does? They all think they are invincible. SpecOps mentality is a rare breed in and of its self. If you know someone in SpecOps, you know what I mean. If you don't, it's very hard to explain, but my son has it, always has had it.

He has always been very healthy. He was in perfect health when he went to BUD/s Prep and was healthy until he got sick on the 14th. He had good numbers until that point.

He was a body builder and competed in 2007. He took 2nd place in his weight class. He felt his biggest accomplishment was not the fact that he took 2nd place, but that he did it without steroids.

My questions now are: Why was he cleared? Why didn't someone question that? Why was he allowed to fail? I have spoken to several doctors and nurses and have been told there is no way he should have been cleared that soon to take that kind of physical test no matter how much he begged and pleaded. In fact, he could have very seriously hurt himself. They were amazed he made it as far as he did. He had been without proper nutrition and rest for 5 days. Many fail that test when they are perfectly healthy.

He was told he shouldn’t have gotten sick! Like he had a choice! He was in a building with no heat. He was exposed daily to those who had various stages of various communicable diseases. I’m amazed he stayed as healthy as he did for as long as he did. I’m even more amazed he recovered as quickly as he has. He did not choose to have a fever for 4 days. He did not choose to cough for 3 days. He did not choose to vomit for 3 days. He did not choose to be unable to eat, drink or sleep for 3 days. He did not choose to get pneumonia. He did not choose to fail.

He did choose to do his best to serve his country to the best of his ability. He did choose to eat, sleep and live NAVY for months before enlisting. He did choose to get up every day at 4:30am to PT. He did choose to seek out mentors to help him be the best he could be. He did choose to make the numbers he needed to become the Best of the Best. He did choose to commit to his country to give his very life in defense of her beliefs. He did choose John Paul Jones’ quote as his own. He did choose to leave me to be a part of something so much greater than us all. Just like every other candidate vying for one of those coveted positions at BUD/s he chose to give everything he had every day.

I would expect nothing less from our special forces. And quite frankly, I would not have supported his decision to serve in that capacity had he not first proven to me his commitment. I’m sure there will be a time, and perhaps many times, he will face a lot worse than sleeping in an unheated building and being exposed to diseases. I understand that and that I can accept. What I can not accept is the lack of support he has received at this stage of his career.

Now, he has been labeled a “sore looser” for asking why he was not given the same treatment and opportunity others received. I'm sure he was “sore”. I'm sure his chest was sore. I'm sure his lungs were sore. I'm sure his stomach was sore. I'm sure his back was sore. I'm sure his head was sore. But I wonder who the real “looser” is. What bothers me most is now his heart is sore…. “They've crushed my soul”…. He is being told he had better just accept it. His life in the Navy can be made very hard on him. They can beat him down and play minds games all they want. “They've crushed my soul”……. How very, sad.

In my original post - My Son is Out - I asked if it was fair. A member responded: “Navy's goal is not to be fair to sailors, their goal is to chose best of the best and do what is nessecery.” Ok, so fair was not the word to use. I can't get those words out of my head. “Do what is necessary. Best of the Best”…… I am trying really hard to accept this. I am trying really hard. I'm just not doing a very good job. Please know this is not a personal attack of any kind against the member who posted that. If anything, I'm grateful for those words. It helps to know it’s not supposed to be personal. I understand WHAT happened. I just can't get a grip on the WHY and the HOW it has come to this. “They've crushed my soul”…

Isn’t it the Best of the Best who give unselfishly of themselves without regard to personal health and welfare when it is Necessary? Isn’t it the Best of the Best who are willing to risk everything for the “team” when it is Necessary? To My Son, My Hero, in his little part of this vast world, that was what needed to be done, at that time. He did just that. He risked it all for his team. In my humble opinion he has shown all the qualities of the Best of the Best when Necessary. I had hoped there would be those who would be able to see and recognize the Best of the Best doing what was Necessary.

"You have to be able to endure a lot of physical pain, emotional pain and you just have to dig deep," said Master Chief Paul Tharp. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6763316

How much deeper can a person dig than their soul?

He is beat down. But he is not out. Not by a long shot. He is a strong kid. He is a good friend and he is my personal hero. His perseverance has only made me more proud of him. I’m a lucky woman to be able to call him MY SON.

I have been told members on here just love to tattle and carry stories from here to their military contacts. Well, you know what? Go right ahead and take this one to whom ever you want. I really hope someone has Master Chief Tharp's or the Command Master Chief's personal e-mail address. I welcome an impartial assessment of this situation. I understand this is on a public post and there may be the unfortunate and unhappy person to respond with ugly and mean comments. So, to you I say, Take your best shot.

Deb-Bub's Proud Mom's Blog

What's the Friday color now?

Posted on April 24, 2009 at 5:58am 1 Comment

For years my friends and family have been wearing Red on Fridays. Now it seems the color is Blue. I know it's not really important what the color is. Its the show of support that counts. I'm just wondering what is what. I don't really want to get all caught up in a political brew-ha-ha, I just want to show support for my son. Personally, I think we should wear Red on Mondays, White on Wednesdays and Blue on Fridays. And of course, our Blue and Gold NavyForMoms.com tee-shirts on Tuesdays and… Continue

My Son is Out

Posted on April 20, 2009 at 4:00pm 14 Comments

Thank you so much Elle. But as soon as I join, I am forced to leave the group. My son has been dropped from the program. He was in class 277.

He has had very good scores all through BC and during BUD/s -prep. On April 14th he went to medical and was told the doctor "thought" he “might” have pneumonia. On the 15th he was worse and he went back to medical. He was told he had bronchitis and given antibiotics. On the 16th he was rushed to the VA Hospital with a fever of 104 and diagnosed with… Continue

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At 9:13pm on January 21, 2010, JudyChop said…
haha, no...SO as in significant other! lol
At 4:33pm on January 20, 2010, Vic said…
Please know that I am thankful for your kindness and your support. You are a wonderful person and your son is lucky Sailor!! :))
At 4:31pm on January 20, 2010, Vic said…
So Sweet to say Deb, thank you for your kind words...we are all in a pickle really I think, with our loved ones down there. It helps to get a word, even just one line from them to know they can at least type....LOL. My stinker of a son prob has decided to be Mr Gungho and has worn himself out so much he doesn't have the strength to type in between jobs. I so much appreciate any efforts made by the good folks here to help...I just got off work this morning and was so tired, but after hearing about the new earthquake down there, of course I got worried on a new level and just wanted to hear from him
At 7:31pm on January 16, 2010, Maria said…
Thank you!!! So GREAT to talk with you!!!
At 5:34pm on December 22, 2009, Sue said…
Hi Deb! Do you still want to be added to the CVN's phone tree? I'm updating it now since Terry isn't able to keep up due to her surgery. Just thought I'd check! If so, let me know the information and I'll get it updated!! Thanks, hope all is well with you and that you ahve a wonderful holiday!! Sue
At 11:32am on June 26, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
Hey you!! You get lost in the Appelachian Mountains too..*S* Hope all is goin good for ya.
At 1:59pm on June 22, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
hey, I wocked and woaded too wheres that wasky wabbit? :)
At 5:42am on June 19, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
"knock knock" anyone home?? :) Hope ya ok.
At 9:15pm on June 10, 2009, Julie (Cory's mom) said…
Deb: Just checking in to see if you and Joyce (Tucson Mom) ever made contact. Let me know. You'll really like her!
At 12:58pm on June 9, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
ok this site went down again..last night..*wondering what YOU thought*..*LOL*
 
 
 

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