How do you file a claim against a recruiter?

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Permalink Reply by Rose R on July 5, 2008 at 1:13pm

You should also mention that you live with a recruiter. I s there a link to back up these statements Susan?

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Permalink Reply by Maria Figueroa on July 5, 2008 at 4:22pm

Rose:
Susan should have cited her sources but everything she says is absolutely true of military policies. I have read many of the things that she writes about by simply doing internet searches. The main point that she is trying to make is that our sons/daughters made a decision to lie, albeit based on encouragement form dishonest recruiters, and must live with the consequences of their actions. I think it is outrageous that the recruiters do this to begin with and that the Navy must know by know that it happens more often than it should. They must establish a zero tolerance policy toward it and make a good example of some recruiter by discharging him or her from the Navy like they do some of these young men and women recruits.

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Permalink Reply by Achseh on July 5, 2008 at 11:07pm

She's absolutely correct and I don't live with a recruiter, not that that matters.

Point is, when the decision is made to lie and the recruit swears they weren't coerced to lie and swears that they have made true statements when they haven't, that falls squarely on the recruit's shoulders.

I know these are kids, I know they sometimes don't think clearly when placed in such a position but the fact is it's a choice they have made to be dishonest and the consequences are on their shoulders.

It's heartbreaking, to be sure.

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Permalink Reply by Susan J on July 6, 2008 at 4:59pm

I dont LIVE with a recruiter, we are best friends..AND I have other recrutiers as friends as well. One of which has been banned from MEPS for interferring when they(MEPS) were trying to change his recruits rate! He has even been Masted for it! But read my post below about MY OLDEST SON and his disaster with the MARINES.

SO..you ask where I get some of my information...BEEN THERE DONE THAT ALREADY! Yes, my son wants to go back...this time the RIGHT WAY! Thank God for the RE-3 rating code!

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Permalink Reply by Ellen on July 5, 2008 at 2:18pm

Susan -
Thanks for sharing this information. It backs up a lot of what I learned by scouring the internet for myself when my son was recommended for separation and sent to Ship 17. I waded through tons of military personnel handbooks and rules, etc. that I found online.

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Permalink Reply by Ruth on July 5, 2008 at 9:59pm

Ellen -
could you provide some of the sites and info that you found to help your son...my son was diagnosed at GL after almost 5 weeks of BC with ADHD & I am at a loss right now on how to help him...thank you for any assistance you can provide...Ruth

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Permalink Reply by McNavy Mom on July 5, 2008 at 9:46pm

Susan: Thank you for this information. It was very helpful. After I read it, I sat down with my son to find out about the conversations that have taken place between my son and his recruiter. My son had some past medical issues and I had some concerns that these things never seemed to come up. Your post helped me really get to the bottom of things and yes, my son was told to "lie his butt off" about every one of his medical issues. If he had continued on with going to bootcamp, it is likely that he would be another Ship 17 detainee and I would have been another mother blogging about the injustice of him being there.

I used your questions and asked what my son had answered at the MEPs when asked. I found out he lied and I asked him why. He told me he doesn't know anything about the Navy and he trusted his recruiter when he told him that he needed to "lie his butt off." This is probably the typical response you will get from teenagers this age. This is also why when they get asked if anyone asked them to lie about anything, as you stated in your post, that they answer "no." I would like to know what happens when someone answers yes to that question. Does the kid have to find his own ride home from the MEPs and his dreams of being in the Navy are over? It's no wonder that this problem exists.

When my husband enlisted in the Navy, he had to get a waiver, but it was all done in advance. Are things not done this way anymore? Why isn't this standard practice? Are these recruiters just being lazy and don't want to do the extra paperwork and phone calls to dot the i's and cross the 't's so that a recruit is successful? It almost sounding like some are set up to fail. What a flawed system and a waste of taxpayer money.

My son is going to college, but If he still wants to go into the Navy after that, things will be done differently. We've all been well educated now.

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Permalink Reply by Mary on July 5, 2008 at 9:53pm

Hi Susan,
My son is in boot camp right now and he got a waiver before he went in.

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Permalink Reply by McNavy Mom on July 5, 2008 at 10:07pm

Thank you Mary. I was wondering about that. If they can be obtained, why isn't the recruiter pushing for a waiver instead of encouraging a lie?

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Permalink Reply by Mary on July 5, 2008 at 10:12pm

I don't know why some recruiters aren't pushing for the waiver. They get it at MEPS. My son's recruiter was the one who suggested he get a waiver. Truthfully I don't remember it taking very long to get a waiver.

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Permalink Reply by McNavy Mom on July 6, 2008 at 9:03am

Mary: I think your son's recruiter is one of the lucky ones who didn't shy away from a little extra work. I agree with Maria Figueroa, those that intentionally lure a recruit to lie, should be discharged.

I'm glad we had this discussion. I guess it's up to the Navy Moms to be vigilant and making sure their kid doesn't fall prey to the used car salesmen tactics by some of the bad ones. I feel sorry for the recruits who don't have an involved parent who can be a watchdog for them.

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Permalink Reply by Mary on July 6, 2008 at 12:27pm

Yes McNavy Mom, I think you are right so far. My son's recruiter seemed to be pretty much on the ball. He was lucky. It isn't right the recruiters that tell them to lie.

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